Kickstarting Sexism with “Kingdom Death” UPDATED!

The pinups are exactly that, the sculptor based them on women from the 50/60/70's good to see you dont take issue with the proportions :P They are also collector items and have nothing to do with the actual game. The female game pieces (minus the starting mini in which all characters are pretty much naked) are well covered and not wearing chainmail bikinis.

Way to be objective and transparent in your critisism

Man has always had an obsession with the female form. As is clearly shown with ancient statues such as the Venus of Willendorf, Venus of Hohle Fels, Venus of Dolní Věstonice. These are among the oldest pieces of art in the history of mankind, and are about the female form. Of course as time move on man has created countless depiction of female beauty, across a wide median of materials. As we move in to modern times the obsession has not change, nor the reasons behind them. The only thing different is the median use to display them.

Unless the majority men becomes homosexual or bisexual this is unlikely to change in the future. Should that happen, it'll just mean we'll have male pinups instead.

The "Pin-up" figures are just that- scantily clad pretty girls for the sake of looking nice. As others have pointed out, they are all Optional purchases, while the base game comes with 20 or so female figures in various sets of armor, which you totally fail to mention. Nice fair, unbiased reporting here, just like Fox News...

I must applaud you for noticing that there was a successful kickstarter project, looking at it, being offended and then looking at a home page and being more offended. I'm sure you then did more research and asked Mr. Poots for an interview and had one with him, I can't wait to read what it has to say. I'm eagerly awaiting your reaction to other interviews he's done.

In the meantime I'd like to share some links to positive female imagery you might have missed.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/38... (Allison the pin-up Twilight re-imagined, because she was cool, into a powerful and viable game choice... notice the clothes.)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/38... (Kara Black, a woman that awakens with a sheet wrapped around herself (like all survivors) and a lantern. Flowing sheets are stupid, they're torn into functional and covering clothing so she can really hurt things that massive stone she's wielding.)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/38... (You'll notice that while the woman does indeed have a 'breast plate' that the man is just as pretty as just as well presented, if not more so... he's pretty.)

In the mean time things you should actually be offended by if you want to be offended...
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/poots/kingdom-death-monster/posts/38...

Notice what the king is made up of? That's a mass of dismembered arms and a swarm of infants in a moving morass under a robe holding up a metal head. Personally that's nightmare material to me... which I think was the point.

Notice the Scribe beneath him? You might ignore the woman (artist's choice, not the game designer's) split open chest, exposing her internal organs, or her head mounted as a light by her spine to look at what the scribe is resting his feet upon.

Are you getting it now?

The whole game is made to make EVERYONE feel distinctly uncomfortable. They're meant to pull you out of your comfort zone. The Forge God does this really well as well. http://gallery.kingdomdeath.com/Forge-God (Notice the castrated men on the rock around him?)

Here's an interview that may shed some more light on the whole project.
http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.com/2012/11/industry-talk-adam-poots.html

This article is uninformed.

2M$ for a project like this is literally a drop in the bucket. Maybe an impressive as a milestone for Kingdom Death, but sexually enticing figures still remain firmly a niche rather than being some continuing trend of the market as you imply. If there's anything in the industry that feels like it needs any curbing at all, it's the overgrown male power fantasy that is Warhammer 40,000.

Some people like the pin ups they show a lot of skin how are we to learn to paint skin tones if no model ever shows it they're female because most people in this hobby are male but yet they're are male pin ups too so your point is invalid anyhow. Also sitting down for hours and hours and painting a single model can get you sleepy having something a bit more eye appealing makes doing MY hobby more enjoyable since it is my hobby and your input wont ever change what I choose to paint and how i choose to paint it. Nothing is wrong with these pin ups I never hear guys say things are sexiest when a girl says "suck it up like a man" NO we suck it up like a man then. get over it

I'm a longtime reader of "Bitch," a feminist and the descendant of feminists.

I'm also a roleplaying gamer since the early days, a girl gamer back when the weren't any others to be found.

I'm also one of the pledgers for "Kingdom Death: Monster."

I'm not sure what else I need for full disclosure. I'm an artist and occasional science fiction illustrator, if that counts.

While I understand your outrage at the KD:M figures, and I am not entirely fond of them myself, I feel you have missed some important elements of the game.

For one thing, the"pin-up" models are not actually part of the game. They are a side matter, souvenirs with no role in the game.

There are actual female characters in the game proper. In fact, the game has 50% female characters, and they are dressed in practical, fantastical armor of many varied and strikingly creative designs. I find them interesting, strong, and appealing, and I would have killed for a female game figure that looked like one of them back in 1980.

I freely grant that many, perhaps most, female roleplaying game miniatures are still designed only for the male gaze. But not all of them. Between prolific sculptors like Sandra Garrity and Julie Guthrie and companies such as Reaper Miniatures, which has a strong line of well-dressed, practical female figurines, there is a lot to choose from that has a strong, independent, female-oriented aesthetic.

The Kingdom Death:Monster pin-ups are not part of that aesthetic. They are pure, sexualized male-gaze eye-candy, as was noted in the article. But they are not the actual female game characters. As far as I can tell, they have simply been the funding engine that drives development of the game proper. They sell well, and so the developer can produce the actual game components.

I do not especially like the pin-ups. The game itself has a deeply visceral horror and a strong artistic aesthetic, with overtones of the art of Hieronymous Bosch, with all its body horror. The pin-ups are anime-influenced and lightweight.

They do not really go together. I regret that the focus on the little plastic pin-ups has drawn attention away from Adam Poots' serious, symbolic, and highly original game.

I am a backer of Kingdom Death, and those overly sexist models that you chose to mention to gain some blog hits? I backed every single one of them.

Anyone reading your article has just been fed your version of a twisted half truth.

Everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions. I have no problem with you feeling however you feel about the models. Certain people who are backing the game happen to share your opinion. However, you chose to "report" on it in a way that only takes one VERY narrow scope of view.

If you had done some research and *fairly* reported on this game, I don't think anyone would have had a problem. To each their own, and beauty is found in the eye of the beholder. But you didn't do that. Instead, you focused on 9% of a game OPTION, and tried to rip it apart.

Some facts for you, from a person who will gain EVERY model released from this Kickstarter:

There are 136 models. Exactly 15 of them are considered "pinups," which, again, as previously stated, were optional, came with no game content, are not included with the game itself, and have absolutely no bearing on the gameplay. Those specific models equate to roughly 9% of the total number available.

This is the most succesfully funded Boardgame in the history of Kickstarter, beating out the former "title holder" by a margin of $1,098,467.

To me, you saw the absolute success of this game, and used it as a piggyback vehicle to add some hits to your own blog. To me, that is more offensive than any of the models available for purchase from Kingdom Death..

You are entitled to your own opinion, the same as I am entitled to mine. I would advise you that, the next time you report on something popular, you do more research. Until then, my opinion is that your "journalism," and "news reporting style" are complete garbage.

<p>This article could merit novels worth of reply on my behalf so I'm going to be as brief as I can. As a miniature gamer myself I have always been aware of the fact that there is some undeniable sexism present in my hobby. Frankly a lot of it has made me uncomfortable, including some of the kingdom death content.

But there's another side to it. Let's not forget all the nudes you'll see in any museum. Unfortunately as a fringe hobby miniatures are quickly dismissed from having any possible artistic merit. But these tiny sculptures you've linked above aren't some filthy porno shoot taken in a dirtbag motel. A human person took the time to lovingly craft them. Shouldn't they have as much right to create representations of the female form as Rodin or Monet? I suspect all that these sculptors wished was to create something beautiful. And it's hard to argue that they haven't succeeded; albeit perhaps under the stigma of the infamous male gaze.

But if you're still not convinced there's more to this hobby than sweaty fatbeards ogling their tiny toy ladies at home in their filthy apartments I present the following as evidence. Below are the links to the online galleries of several world renown female miniature painters. As a miniature painter myself I consider all of these artists as sources of personal inspiration. You don't have to look too hard to find females in all four galleries dressed in outfits more scandalous than the two shown here. I find it difficult to believe that anything more than joy in artistic expression was the motivation for the care these women clearly lavished on their subjects.

http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/mrika?browseid=3953450

http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/fluffy?browseid=3953486

http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/haley?browseid=3953502

http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/Ana?browseid=3953530</p>

Would have been nice if the author of this article would have looked at the male figures in this game before rage got the better of her, because these are extremely sexist aswell.

I don't look like any of those male figures, nor do I know or work with anyone who does. I rarely see someone like that in the streets and that is completly fine because it's a fantasy game with people who look more like roman statues than actual human beeings.

Look at the trailer of the game for example: it features a male super model inventing weapons and fighting monsters, do the readers of this site honestly believe thats a perfectly normal depiction of a male person?

Ofcourse it isn't! it is power fantasy and makes the protagonist nice to look at for people who fancy the male form. And there is nothing wrong with that because it is game aimed at adults who know how to differentiate between fantasy and reality.

So please bitchmagazine: Next time resist the urge to ride the wave of popularity and to cash in with a bad article and poorly aimed at outrage at the latest hit on the internet.

Have fun with my comment, which boosts the exposure of this blogpost.

If the cheesecake minis don't have anything to do with the game, why are they there?

Isn't it in fact <em>more</em> insulting that they're there despite not having anything to do with game content?

As a male gamer who pledged $255 to support the game, I have to say that I definitely see the merit to your perspective. Having strong female characters who aren't sexualized/fetishized would be preferable for most females, whether it be in books, movies, comics, or board games. However, it is no secret that many men LIKE sexualized/fetishized depictions of women. So when you have a market that is primarily made by men for men, you'll end up with art like this. It's the same story with Marvel, XBOX games, and other mediums that match that demographic trend.

There are plenty of men, like myself, who would have liked the game just as much (if not more) if the imagery was a bit less sexual. But we still will buy such products- we just tend to ignore the sexuality. We're complicit in that exploitative art style partly due to a lack of alternatives, and partly because we are not the ones being exploited. It is (unfortunately) easy to write off things that don't directly offend your own race/gender/religion. Many people, especially white males, only get up in arms when they feel they are the ones being offended.

One of the first steps is getting males to recognize and acknowledge that by supporting this art style, we're keeping girls away from our hobbies. Don't we want girls to join us in our hobbies?

For whatever its worth, most of the monsters and creatures in the game are not composed of genital amalgams (see phoenix, lion knight, or dragon king). The pinups are not game pieces, and while the concept art is great (yes, I enjoy scantily clad buxom women), the final miniatures rarely live up to the art, with thunder thighs and asses to make Nicki Minaj look anorexic.

I'm sorry, did the definition of sexist change? I did not realize that busty, female miniatures, or that buying them was considered the definition of such. I will have to inform my fiancé.

Did this kickstarter tell women to stay in the kitchen (where they can cook up food poisoning)? Did it tell women that they are weak, stay behind the big strong men, and bare our children (say no to the std known as child birth!)?

Did the pin ups objectify the women models? Mmmm and how. What's that dear? You like how nice and fleshy some of them were too? It's good to see fantasy and some real bodied women in those minis.

So, we have "the female body is great to look at." And apparently the author has never been outside the USA and seen the world. Ignorant, biased point of views and narrow minded; that's what I've read here. It's good to have a feminist mindset, but at least understand what you're preaching.

I understand, you live in a culture where the appropriate amount of clothing is not like that: "The "Preacher Pinup" demonstrates a misunderstanding of what constitutes clothing."

It's so wrong...

Some Muslim countries have a different notion, Burka is the good way of clothing.

Some tribes and people in the nudist culture have a different notion too, nudity is perfect and clothing causes many problems, like self esteem problems and many others.

Maybe virtue is in the mean (Aristotle) but there is no mean, the mean can be anything from a thong to a Niqab, but if I have to choose, I think nudists are healthier and happier than... well basically anyone that thinks that human bodies must be covered for some religious or traditional ideas with no basis whatsoever.

And the same that stands for nudity stands for public affection displays, dance, music, lyrics, vocabulary, etc. There are plenty of arbitrary distinctions being made that are pointless in best cases and harmful in most.

So can't we just accept that people like sex and they can get their porn (it's not even porn!) made of figurines where no woman was exploited and get along with it?

probably the most traffic this author has seen in a long time... kudos for your ignorance

Bitch, you find what you are looking for. You wanted sex, and you found it. Bravo, I'm sure that was hard work.

But why is it that this particular Kickstarter pulled a record-smashing $2 MILLION whereas the previous best game didn't even break $1 million?

You're aware that none of the other girlie miniatures Kickstarters came close? For example, "Bombshell Babes" barely pulled $140k, despite being nothing but sexualized pinup type models?
- http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bombshellminis/bombshell-babes

Or maybe just search Kickstarter for "Pinup" and "Pinups" - of the dozen such "artsy" Kickstarters which have launched, they're lucky to fund, and if they do, $5k is a typical funding level.

Now compare with other high-profile miniatures board games - Sedition Wars, Relic Knights, Zombicide. $780k to $950k for each of them, and I surely don't recall any sort of cheesecake in Sedition Wars or Zombicide.

The rational conclusion is that miniatures games are popular on their own merits, and that "sexist" pinups don't drive funding (nor do they hurt).

Please don't speak for female gamers. I am a female gamer and I love those miniatures, I don't find them sexist these are powerful women kicking ass, my girlfriend loves these minis as well guess we are biased. I checked with the other girls in our gaming group... nope still fun and sexing not sexist. I love how everyone trying to point out that the minis are sexist over looks the men scantly clad in bedsheets, these are the starting hero minis! Those boys are ripped, I'm sure most guys in gaming groups wishes they could look that beefy with abs for days.
Looks like this is a game of everything looking monstrous or incredibly sexy, I wonder if that could be both for contrast and to touch on things that stir people's emotions. People have knee jerk strongly emotional reactions to anything associating with sex so why not use it to draw emotions into the game. We are sexual creatures we love looking at sexy things at least these sexy girls have curves rather than having the stick-like supermodel figures. Do you have any idea how low a man's body fat needs to be in order to have muscle definition like that?
Go back to putting skirts on the feet of table legs.

Try looking to a good deal of fantasy and horror novels artwork before, and including, the 70's, notice a similarity to the art style of KD??

funny how KD takes some of its inspiration from it.

Lets hear a rant on several decades of artwork then, from one of the most "sexually liberating" time periods.

Also check out Soda Pop Miniatures then, sure to float your self-righteousness even more.

I appreciate what you had to say about Kingdom Death. I've always disliked that the instant you set foot into a game store you're generally bombarded by images of scantily clad women with wizard's staves posing as if they were in "World of Whorecraft". The fact that the differentiation between fantasy pornography and fantasy art is as flimsy as the material making up most female character's brassieres is profoundly annoying.

In full disclosure I am in fact a male gamer. I love Warhammer Fantasy Battles for the sheer delight of seeing rank upon rank of spearmen crash into the hordes of Chaos. I love Warhammer 40K primarily for Dan Abnett's Ghost Novels and stylize my armies in honor of him, as well as my love for the egalitarian Tau community (which still sees a difference between male and female Tau with regards to the miniatures, but comparatively speaking it isn't worth mentioning).

But Kingdom of Death is just gross. The Forge God on their gallery page is gross. The Testicle monster is gross. The Baby Monster is gross. They can hide behind survival horror all they want, its gross and it won't get my money.

The fact is I have to weigh everything against the values my parents instilled in me, and the value-set I hold with my wife. Both of us love games, sci-fi, and fantasy. But there's a point where you have to draw the line, and Kingdom Death ignores that. I will never convince her to play that game with me, and for that it isn't worth my investment. I'd be embarrassed to show a finely sculpted and painted testicle monster to my father (who's Imperial Guard Tank Regiment I spent my teens trying to defeat). There's nothing that appeals to me as a mature consumer.

Honestly it is as though the designers of Kingdom Death took Jonah Hill's sketchbook from Super Bad and modeled everything from there.

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Let me start by quoting the dictionaries definition of sexism:
"Sexism is prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially discrimination against women and, or behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex."

I've seen absolutely no indication that Kingdom of Death: Monster makes any prejudice or discrimination against women or men, except maybe their differences in the reproductive process (Women get pregnant and men produce the other half of the genetic material). As far as I see, both men and women character have all the same options and combat capabilities in the game.

What your referring to is 'sexual objectification', which some think and claim is part of sexism, but according to the dictionary it is not. Sure, they can be related, but they certainly don't have to be. I get the feeling that either the author does not understand the difference between the two, doesn't want to understand, or is just spewing the popular opinion of a certain sub-groups.

I would also point out that sexual objectification generally relates to a person as far as I understand it. I have a problem if someone sees a <i>person</i> as just a walking/talking sex doll, I don't have a problem with someone who sees a fictional character as a (walking/talking) sex doll, because I assume that a normal person has the ability to distinguish between a person and a fictional character. The assumption that a fictional character should represent the average human male/female is ludicrous, they are characters for a reason. Just because I see a group of jackasses doing stupid stuff on the tv doesn't mean I should go out and do that stuff myself, we all know it's not a good idea to do so (with a few exceptions). That doesn't mean I don't find such jackasses distasteful, and don't watch the stuff in the first place.

There are legions of folks that are sexually attracted to fat people, should we not depict fat people? There are folks that are turned on by high heels, horses, and all other kinds of stuff, should we not depict those in any way because someone might sexually objectify a fiction character because certain folks have certain 'tastes'?

As for the monsters such as the Wet Nurse, those creep me out, in about the same way as the Aliens grub springs forth from the stomach of it's victim. Repulsive, but interesting in a odd sort of way, not to mention the intricate and detailed sculpting. I can just imagine the reactions from my old RPG group if they would ever encounter the Wet Nurse "What the F is that!", but also the discussion "Should we kill it?" and "What is it exactly?".

I'll not even start with the sexism is an odd duck, due to some women getting angry because you open the door for them and other women getting angry if you don't open the door for them. So I err on the side of caution and open the door for women and feign ignorance if they complain about it ;-) I also open the door for a lot of men because I'm just a helpful fellow (if I'm fully awake and the civility sub-routine has fully been started), but on the whole I open the door for more women then for men. If a public display of a person's sexuality is an issue, let's all wear a burqa (including a complete veil because the eyes can sometimes be the most attractive part of a person), besides the legal problems in certain countries, it also causes other issues "Because a person's sexuality should not be something (s)he should be ashamed off.".

In short, don't throw words like 'sexism' around when you find something distasteful, describe in detail why you don't like something instead of using generic words incorrectly and repetitively.

As for the "Don't like it, don't buy it!" argument being a cheap one, it's a practical one. I don't like (maybe detest is a better word) reality TV, I find it cheap, stupid, and simple television. But if folks want to watch it, let them enjoy it, I just don't watch it. Same with these sexually 'charged' miniatures, some of the monsters are almost C'thulu-esque in their bizarreness, the odd use of sexuality makes them interesting imho. You don't like it, I can only advise "Don't buy it and ignore it.". Personally I'm also far less interested in the pinups, my interests lie more in the Phoenix, the Dragon King and the Dung Beetle Knight. I must really twist my mind a good deal before I can see any harm in the pinups...

I don't know if kingdom death is sexist - but they've sexualized every female character they've made - indicating a strong focus on portraying females as sex objects, or at least valued in terms of sex alone. Not all their work is sexist but a large portion of it is.

Other than that, it's just plain icky porn-inspired design.

Her "update" only makes her seem even more negligent. If you're writing a piece, even an opinion piece, you should at least attempt to do a little research. To say you aren't obligated to interview people is like saying you aren't going to even bother doing any research (which your backpedaling update only further proves). You should be ashamed of yourself.

I agree with your post in the main part. I am a 31 year old male and have been minature wargaming for almost 20 years, but I find figures like the wet nurse disgusting, I simply do not like looking at it, disturbing might be a better word than disgusting, as well as very demeaning to women .

Having said that, I do have two points about your article I want to make.
Firstly, whilst women do game, they are in a massive minority, and as wargames are just that WARgames, and males are typically are the main protaginists in war, is it really unreasonable for a majority of games to have male minatures?
Secondly, in reaction to your comment about the sexualisation of women in gaming (and comics etc), is it really any different to how males are portrayed? There are huge amounts of male minatures scuplted of scantily clad males representing an unrealistic physical ideal? How is it that when a female is scuplted in unrealistic physical ideal it is sexist, but when males are scuplted in that way they are not? There are minatures of fat old women, as well as minatures of fat old men, but really, maybe they are rarly scuplted beacuse they jsut do not look as good?

To me just how many comments this article has received that are bashing or negatively charged against the author. And most of the comments are, no doubt, from men - men who enjoy the gaming world, for many reasons, and scantily clad women are just a bonus, right? If men didn't find the drawn female image enticing there wouldn't be anime porn - so everyone just calm the f* down about whether or not the fixation on the female form - naked or scantily clad - is insidious in our culture, society, and economy. Let me be very clear - IT 100% IS. The simple fact of the matter is this: THE GAME WOULD SELL JUST AS FAST W/O THESE IMAGES. There is no person on the planet who would see a board game they like and choose NOT TO BUY IT because there aren't enough scantily clad female action f*cking figures. SO GET OVER YOURSELVES. Does sex sell? Yes. Does everything that we sell not do harm to consumers who purchase it? NO. This is just yet another example of how men (and women who don't know any better) manipulate and distort sexism to reverse the aggression on the woman who points it out. The author is a blogger - the author doesn't have to interview people or give another side of the story. And whether or not the author purchases this game or any other game has no bearing on an ability to assess something as sexist or not. And yes, simpletons, throwing on top of this steaming pile a bunch of scantily clad male characters is just more exploitation and objectification. It doesn't "equal out" anything. The word 'sexualization' is NEW. New words happen, you know. Just ask Webster-Merriam. It is used to describe our current social state where 7 year old girls are complaining of being fat or hating their hair or wanting to wear mascara and lipstick to school. That is what us HUMANISTS call the over-sexualization of young girls. The only people who are being negligent here are the ones who, instead of meeting the author with intelligent banter and argument, are simply pointing their sexist little finger at the author for being 'a feminist - ugh.' So maybe before you go castigating the author you look beyond your own nose...or are you too busy ogling a pair of tits to see how your actions and words actually justify the author's argument.

I'm seriously confused by this. I looked at all the main female characters, the ones that aren't labelled "pinups" and still found them, while not quite as bad as the pinups, very sexualized and the drawn pictures above them even more so. Whether or not you think this is bad is one thing, but are people really suggesting that they're not sexualized at all? And they're proportions are realistic?! What are you talking about?

If you don't like it, don't play it. Simple as that.

Instead of complaining and implicitly demanding censorship every time you see something that offends you, why don't you do something productive like make your own game; a game in which your asexual, hypersensitive, PC, no-fun utopia can be realized without recourse to verbally crapping on the creations of others.

I'll add that I don't have anything against feminists or women's equality, I don't even think the game looks all that great (bit too weird for my tastes) I just think its unbelievably thin skinned and selfish of you to act as though the creations of others should conform to your whims and sensibilities.

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand why people are getting so worked up over Kingdom Death: Monster. I've been following the Kingdom Death sculpts for a long time now, and I have always thought they were extremely well done. It seems like Poots is trying to create this disgusting, disturbing fantasy-horror world, and he does a pretty darn good job of it. The monsters are sort of cringe-inducingly gross probably because they present biological functions in a very exaggerated and bizarre sort of way. If weird genitalia horror is what Poots thinks is scary, I don't really see the problem.

The sexualization of women, however, is what prompted me to write a response. As I mentioned before, I have been following KD for a while now. I am a married female gamer, and I actually like the pinups. More than the game, the pinups were actually the only reason I wanted to support the Kickstarter at all. The sculpts are extremely detailed, and the women are actually attractive. My problem with the majority of miniature-based games is that females tend to have pretty poorly sculpted faces. The KD girls are all either very fierce or very pretty. Why would the girls have to have realistic proportions? It's a fantasy game, and if everyone in Kingdom Death land has a six pack or H-cup tits, who freaking cares?

Ultimately, I just feel like this is another case of people getting "all up in arms" because that is the popular thing to do. I don't feel like the "sexualization" or "objectification" of little plastic women is going to lead to the downfall of civilization as we know it. How about we get worked up about something that actually matters?

However sexist one may find such content, it can not be denied that it is popular. If there is a complaint about miniatures games going in a sexist direction ask yourself, "why don't women make miniatures games then?" This article seems to be written to further women's rights goals and has very little to do with miniatures games. As far as sexual organs in monstrous proportions, don't all predators find what will demoralize their prey the most in order to better hunt or fight it? If you find it disturbing, maybe the people of the world in which these monsters exists do too, and that is the point. I suppose the bottom line here is; You do not have to like it. If your neighbor has a messy yard, are you going to call in county ordinance so you don't have to look at it? No, and the county or city probably wouldn't do anything about it anyway. Get over it already.

Oh good grief. -_-

I have a female friend who I tried to show this game too because I thought it would be something she'd be interested in. I was flabbergasted when she said that this game was incredibly misogynistic and she'd already read about how it involved rules for raping women after you'd captured them (it does not have anything like that). So I searched all over the internet to try and find where this giant snowball of bullsh** rolled down from, and it looks like I've finally found it.

I'd just like to say congratulations, because the person who's enjoyment of a game you've managed to pollute is probably several times smarter than you; in fact, I do believe she is WAY too intelligent to be roped in by your bullsh**, but hey, it's the internet, so anyone can spout any sort of garbage without even a shred of evidence.

Let me just say that I've never read "bitch magazine" before, and I'm not sure what kind of stuff it publishes; but let me just say that the content you've posted seems to fit that title pretty much exactly. And I don't mean that in any way that you should feel proud of.

I can't help but feeling annoyed about these selfish agendas some women have going on whenever they scream "sexism". In this case it's clearly not sexism as no gender is discrimanted in this game and I'm getting equally tired of people who use superlatives or very strong words which indicate a scandal when in fact it's a tempest in a teapot.

Undeniably this game portrays both genders apparently attractive and sets very high standarts for what this game sees as normal yet I haven't seen a single women ever complaining about a sixpack in the media when they see them or even demanding to get rid of an advantage that she has in society thanks to her sex just because they she wants to be treat equal. Even in this game, where both genders are treat equally, you only complain for your own benefits and I can't help to say that you have either a very egocentric field of view for not noticing that or knowingly only argue as long as you benefit from it and for your own favor only. In both cases you apply double standarts.

Regarding this game it has chosen to portray a world as the lead artist imagined it and while miniatures can be seen as equally art as those marble statues of ancient times, it's makes equally less sense as to protest in a art gallery because they display statues which depict the beauty ideal of their time.

I just found out about this kickstarter and checked out their video and the game looks fun and interesting and the models and crature designs that were present in that were all pretty cool. I did notice the buxom aspect of the two women present but didn't think too much of it. Then I looked at some of their other models on the website and started to get that itching feeling I get when I can't help but feel something isn't appropriate.

There's very much a bias in their line-up to male villains in hulking armour and terrifying aspect and then highly sexualised and twisted female models and I can't help but feel it's a bit gratuitous. I have no real problem with sexual organs being depicted as horrific and twisted as a base desire like hunger and such it is pretty horriffic to see such things taken out of all proportion and made malevolent.

In short I'm somewhat disappointed I got really excited for this game from what I saw and now I'm just not sure i'd be comfortable playing it even if the gameplay is excellent.

Maybe you are just percieving it incorrectly. I am not here to bash your opinion or writing, but simply give another thought pattern. The paradigm of the game is humanity being bottom of the food chain, my knowledge is that you suddenly wake up, in the middle of a vast cavern with other humans. In such conditions would you not think the skimpy clothing or lack thereof is more so a primitive dress for the strenous circumstances? As far as measurements being disproportionate, that very well may be, but without a doubt, those unproportioned measurements find their way into nature. In this case, only well endowed females remained alive. In such a case, this game should be an empowerment to ladies of such measurements, after all, they survived this far in the devolution of humanity.

Keep thinking the way you think! Enjoy the neutrality :)

Author sounds like a femanazi cooze.